Wow, I was just going to ask the same question!! Well, I first got APC's they are called Extreme Plasma White or something like that, H1's of course, 100 W, 4000K, but they were pretty cheap. I can't afford HID's, so these are like the H1 bulbs in a blue lenses...maybe kinda ghetto but they were only like $40. After I got my piaa 1700X foglights installed I really couldn't afford much more....But I wasn't too pleased w/ them, they seem almost factory to me, I know they are not quite as yellow (cuz the guiy showed me how it looked w/ only one bulb in and the other bulb still factory) but still not that great of a "stimulated HID" look. Not the bluish tint, like a nice 6000K that my sweet piaa fogs have. So I went back and tried the piaa H1 bulbs ($30. more than the APC's) Absolutely NO difference. The Piaa's are also 4000K but are 110 W (that 10 more watts doesn't make a visible difference) So I stuck w/ the APC's, but I'm kinda in the same boat, I think this is the best I'm going to get w/o going HID.