how far are you leaned over? idk i cant really tell its all instinct...all i know is that if you countersteer to initate the turn, ul have a faster turn in then if you just used your weight or the pegs
Bike control in a sharp curve
I'm starting to hit the twisties harder than I ever have before. Now, I have a couple of questions..
1. While in a sharp curve, do you continue to countersteer the handlebars, or do your feet do the steering? I find myself continuing to countersteer when I think I should be using my feet instead.
2. With that said, what do you do in case you have to perform an emergency swerve? Push on the footpegs, countersteer with the handlebars, or both?
1. While in a sharp curve, do you continue to countersteer the handlebars, or do your feet do the steering? I find myself continuing to countersteer when I think I should be using my feet instead.
2. With that said, what do you do in case you have to perform an emergency swerve? Push on the footpegs, countersteer with the handlebars, or both?
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No no......all i know is that if you countersteer to initate the turn, ul have a faster turn in then if you just used your weight or the pegs
You're supposed to countersteer upon entering a curve. Once leaned over in a curve, your arms are supposed to be relaxed. Your weight is on your feet. At this point, your feet take part in steering.
I have a problem of being too tense with my arms, and I don't think I'm really using my feet to help steer the bike.
thats what i said...initiate the turn with countersteering...i didnt say keep countersteering throughout the turn.
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I just move my body so to answer your question...Yes lol. To be honest I really dont know
I just move my body so to answer your question...Yes lol. To be honest I really dont know
ok thanks.
fuck it....i think i'm starting to get too technical.
fuck it....i think i'm starting to get too technical.
If anything, I think I'm adjusting my input in the bars. My feet on my pegs remain mostly the same once I'm committed to a turn
goodknight says arms are relaxed in the middle of a curve. your ass is off the seat....your weight is on the pegs. push on the outside peg to go wide......push on the inside peg to cut the turn.If anything, I think I'm adjusting my input in the bars. My feet on my pegs remain mostly the same once I'm committed to a turn
I have never had the opportunity to turn that tight to even know.goodknight says arms are relaxed in the middle of a curve. your ass is off the seat....your weight is on the pegs. push on the outside peg to go wide......push on the inside peg to cut the turn.
Knight gets some good track time in, I'd say he probably knows what he's talking about.
Arms should always be relaxed. That whole putting the weight on the pegs doesn’t really work for me and doesn’t make too much sense to be honest with you. Most of my weight is on the inside peg already. I tried the outside peg thing and I didnt feel comfortable on it but some people like it so I would say thats a personal choice. You’re still holding yourself on the bike using your legs but your steering inputs are mainly in the clip ons. Take a look at the bike they use in the Superbike schoolgoodknight says arms are relaxed in the middle of a curve. your ass is off the seat....your weight is on the pegs. push on the outside peg to go wide......push on the inside peg to cut the turn.
http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/no-bs-machine.php
Think of it this way. Go on a long straight road and try to have the bike lean by pushing down on a peg. Then turn around and push one clip on and see how much the bike leans over on the side you pushed. This is probably the best way to understand counter steering. This is how I teach all my friends who ride for the first time. I take them on a long road and tell them to go straight and slightly push the clip on and see how it turns the opposite of what they would think. They don’t need to understand how it works but they need to know that it does work and this is how you turn sharply. This is what most people do without even realize they’re doing it.
Read some threads on this forum below. It’s the California Superbike forum and it has some of the best explanations you can find anywhere and Keith Code also posts on there from time to time. Below is the link to a thread on counter steering
http://forums.superbikeschool.com/index.php?showtopic=686
Dont forget to anchor your outside inner thigh against the tank!
As for the footpeg thing, i think desertsilver hit the nail on the head when he alluded to you having to go out and get a feel for what works for you. I had a coach from one of the orgs i ride with sit me down and tell me that at the end of the day, my legs should be burning.
I remember reading an interview john hopkins gave where he said he pushes so hard on the pegs, he goes through 5-6 pairs of boots in a season (17, used to be 16 races!).
As for the footpeg thing, i think desertsilver hit the nail on the head when he alluded to you having to go out and get a feel for what works for you. I had a coach from one of the orgs i ride with sit me down and tell me that at the end of the day, my legs should be burning.
I remember reading an interview john hopkins gave where he said he pushes so hard on the pegs, he goes through 5-6 pairs of boots in a season (17, used to be 16 races!).
outside arm should be bent over the tank but should not be supporting a lot or any weightalso the outisde elbow? hooked on the tank right?
Lots of good info in here. 10,000 post ftw.
let me ask you guys this about leaning...
when does "instinct" kick off and "technique" kick in?
when does "instinct" kick off and "technique" kick in?
Idk personally i like to get my ass off the seat if its a nice long sweeper or a nice tight short turn. Makes me look more throughout the turn for some reason.
imo, as soon as you roll the throttle. When you first start, what your instincts tell you to do will be completely wrong. You’ll put your body in a position that is comfortable and not what is ‘correct’. Countersteering defies all logic to a new rider. Your mind will tell you to brake because it seems too fast. For most people, you have to train yourself to ride a certain way until the new way becomes ‘instinctive’.let me ask you guys this about leaning...
when does "instinct" kick off and "technique" kick in?
Body position…You have to position your body a certain way to lower center of gravity and to put more weight on the inside so your bike won’t lean as much. This is not comfortable for most people at first. To be honest, I have one of the ugliest body positions lol. In my head I’ll think I’m doing everything right. 1 cheek off, head where the mirror should be, arms relaxed and bent, etc. Then I go look at the photos and I look like Colin Edwards mixed with Tony Elias lol. Crossed up and head up. Body positions are one of the most talked about subjects in motorcycle racing. Is there really a ‘correct’ body position? Take a look at MotoGP, WSBK, AMA, etc. Everybody’s body position is different. Tony Elias is the best example of what is a wrong body position and what not to do. But is it really wrong? Its obviously working very well for him. So…imo, do whatever ugly body position you can that’s comfortable for you but at the same time, gets the weight off the bike and to the inside.
When I think I’m going too fast, I had to train myself to lean more and keep accelerating. Braking in the middle of a turn because you panic is the last thing you want to be doing. After you gradually go into a turn faster and faster, you no longer panic and it feels natural. To me, it helped seeing a faster rider go through a turn. It would show me it is possible to go through that turn at a greater speed but there will come a time when you run out of skill and you will run out before a faster rider does. There were a few times I would follow a faster rider on the track and would have “Oh shit” moments. Obviously, you shouldn’t be doing that on the streets because that faster rider could know that road like the back of his hand. On the track, there’s no way you’ll follow a faster rider if you’re not comfortable so you can just follow someone for as long as you can. Pick up what you can and learn from it.
just relax and use the force
that's probably something you need.just relax and use the force
Oh and the reason countersteering works is because the tire itself has a camber angle. You push on the right handlebar and the camber of the front tire makes the bike go right, even though the tire is slightly pointed left.
Couldnt have said it better myself. Everything you posted is spot on.imo, as soon as you roll the throttle. When you first start, what your instincts tell you to do will be completely wrong. You’ll put your body in a position that is comfortable and not what is ‘correct’. Countersteering defies all logic to a new rider. Your mind will tell you to brake because it seems too fast. For most people, you have to train yourself to ride a certain way until the new way becomes ‘instinctive’.
Body position…You have to position your body a certain way to lower center of gravity and to put more weight on the inside so your bike won’t lean as much. This is not comfortable for most people at first. To be honest, I have one of the ugliest body positions lol. In my head I’ll think I’m doing everything right. 1 cheek off, head where the mirror should be, arms relaxed and bent, etc. Then I go look at the photos and I look like Colin Edwards mixed with Tony Elias lol. Crossed up and head up. Body positions are one of the most talked about subjects in motorcycle racing. Is there really a ‘correct’ body position? Take a look at MotoGP, WSBK, AMA, etc. Everybody’s body position is different. Tony Elias is the best example of what is a wrong body position and what not to do. But is it really wrong? Its obviously working very well for him. So…imo, do whatever ugly body position you can that’s comfortable for you but at the same time, gets the weight off the bike and to the inside.
When I think I’m going too fast, I had to train myself to lean more and keep accelerating. Braking in the middle of a turn because you panic is the last thing you want to be doing. After you gradually go into a turn faster and faster, you no longer panic and it feels natural. To me, it helped seeing a faster rider go through a turn. It would show me it is possible to go through that turn at a greater speed but there will come a time when you run out of skill and you will run out before a faster rider does. There were a few times I would follow a faster rider on the track and would have “Oh shit” moments. Obviously, you shouldn’t be doing that on the streets because that faster rider could know that road like the back of his hand. On the track, there’s no way you’ll follow a faster rider if you’re not comfortable so you can just follow someone for as long as you can. Pick up what you can and learn from it.
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