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I test drove a 2012 Audi 2.0T Quattro last night with 49k miles. It was 6 speed manual AWD.

I was... soo confused. It was one of the quietest engines full throttle. It had torque in every RPM of every gear. Also had more buttons and features than I needed lol.

It sounded perfect on paper. But driving it felt just barely more fun than an automatic and just wasn't worth the shifting IMO. Plus the gates sucked.


I'm leaning towards a Honda Accord Sport now. Almost the same engine as my old RSX just revs lower and has more room. They look pretty clean from 2013-2015 and have a fair amount of features. I just love the reliability of Honda and the clutch/gearboxes.
 

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I like your choice. Great looks and bullet proof. The others just fall apart or the electrical gremlins from German cars make the Honda just better.
 

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I test drove a 2012 Audi 2.0T Quattro last night with 49k miles. It was 6 speed manual AWD.

I was... soo confused. It was one of the quietest engines full throttle. It had torque in every RPM of every gear. Also had more buttons and features than I needed lol.

It sounded perfect on paper. But driving it felt just barely more fun than an automatic and just wasn't worth the shifting IMO. Plus the gates sucked.


I'm leaning towards a Honda Accord Sport now. Almost the same engine as my old RSX just revs lower and has more room. They look pretty clean from 2013-2015 and have a fair amount of features. I just love the reliability of Honda and the clutch/gearboxes.
Remember that while that 2.0T is pretty flexible, it's the same motor in virtually the same tune that powers a lot of cars in VW's lineup, which includes stuff like the Jetta. It can hustle, but outside of the GTI, it's not going to make you feel very alive.

With regards to the Accord that you're looking at, how is it "almost the same engine"? Just curious what you mean by that.
 

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My car friend that is really fond of German engineering and I have discussed the newer Accords and man they are just a beautiful car. They got the styling right. Elegant. Looks like a 5 series almost. Better than the older Accords that's for sure.

Anyways, the engine is almost the same, no? If he gets a 2.4L version the newer one is a Direct Injected Earth Dreams K-motor and the previous gen is the K24Z3. So he's not that far off in saying that. It's no K24A2 but it's no R-motor or 6cyl :dontknow:.

edit: Actually, the K24Z3 looks to be more similar to K24A2 than I realized. And the DI K24W just falls a lil short spec-wise (only 6800rpm redline) but has a lil more torque so I'd say it balances out
 

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It is a K. It is 4-cyl. It is DOHC. It is i-VTEC. It is only 1mm larger bore. I mean, it's not the same 8kprm revving motor no, sure, but this 2.4L Accord isn't that far off from the TSX/Si motors. I can agree that the RSX motor is not the same as the TSX motor, but they are similar, in the loosest sense, which is all he was saying.
 

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e46fanatics.com, zhpmafia.com, bimmerforums.com, bimmerfest.com

Consider the fact that a 4 door BMW is a very luxurious yet sporty car that has plenty of track potential. You will have to invest a bit more in repairs/maintenance in the beginning depending on the condition of the used car but it will last. Mine has 163,xxx miles of track and spirited street driving and I've only had to replace the water pump, and fuel pump outside of other normal wear items like clutch, brakes, tires, etc.

The insurance benefit and lack of police attention over an evo almost makes it a no-brainer.
It's funny you mention this, I recently considered trading my RSX for a 335i... And I'm sure you have been fortunate with your BMW.. But from what I researched and spoke to my mechanic who specializes in BMW and Porsche, "a bit more in repairs" is an understatement in my opinion (depending on model obviously).

Either way, you are going from the RSX, reliability champ, to the complete opposite. If I had the cash right now to repair the way I like it, I probably would've traded it and dumped a bunch of money in it and be super happy but if you don't have a grand in reserve for when it breaks down you are screwed. It'll be only a matter of time the car will break down. Don't get me wrong I love the car but when someone goes from RSX to BMW it's going to be a huge difference for them maintenance/repair-wise.
P.s. 163k miles on your car is impressive

To OP, Not in your budget but you could always wait for the new type R ! :D
 

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But from what I researched and spoke to my mechanic who specializes in BMW and Porsche, "a bit more in repairs" is an understatement in my opinion (depending on model obviously)...
Based on my first-hand experience, the only expensive aspects of BMW cars are parts and insurance. I'm sure that BMW specialty shops charge $100+/hr in labor but the trick is to do as much of the work on your own like I and so many others do. If the OP were to purchase a used E46 there should be some initial work done, same as any other used car. As long as you do the work yourself, BMW is not much more than owning an RSX.

P.s. 163k miles on your car is impressive
Any car can reach 200k miles and continue going strong as long as its properly maintained.
 

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Based on my first-hand experience, the only expensive aspects of BMW cars are parts and insurance. I'm sure that BMW specialty shops charge $100+/hr in labor but the trick is to do as much of the work on your own like I and so many others do. If the OP were to purchase a used E46 there should be some initial work done, same as any other used car. As long as you do the work yourself, BMW is not much more than owning an RSX.



Any car can reach 200k miles and continue going strong as long as its properly maintained.
Yea I understand. Proper maintenance always helps. And I guess the model I was looking at is a bit different than the one you have.

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Seems high, but you go to a dealer for a new car and a majority of them are border line 30k and up. Car prices are just ridiculous overall in the market.
 

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hah, I had to Google that saying. It is pricey, sure, but at least they staying competitive. I was excited about getting an FK2 someday. I so wish that brought that one to the States but that gen is already over (2 years) :sigh:
 

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You mean the car that Honda modified for its 'Ring lap that they bragged about then they vowed to re-do it with a bone stock model to replicate the lap time but never did?
 

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I never read about that now. It's not as bad as it seems. Apparently the roll cage was for safety and thus was installed with bushings so as not to increase rigidity, and then the A/C, stereo, and passenger seat were removed to compensate for the weight gain :dontknow:
 

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It doesn't SEEM bad, but think about it.

Sure, it doesn't sound like much was changed, but while the weight was more or less the same, the weight distribution could have been different. The roll cage sits neatly between the two axles while they pulled weight from areas that rest more on the front axle. What if companies started doing similar things that result in weight being shifted more favorably, like installing trunk-mounted batteries (because hey, the weight is still the same) for their test cars?

Yes, the roll cage adds safety, but it adds rigidity too. Just because they said they didn't add it for that purpose doesn't mean that it's not an effect. Don't believe them for a second, tons of way faster cars with double the output do Ring tests without roll cages, I don't think it was so necessary for safety that a 300 hp FWD Civic hatchback needed so much more protection that other cars doing the exact same test didn't need.
 

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So a lil update.. I almost bought a 2014 Honda Accord EX-L today.
Thing was off the chain. I know it's rare to find a manual but I did.. It's like Honda's hidden gem. The V6 got plenty of torque and is a beast stock. The backseats had a surprising amount of legroom to where I actually fit there comfortably (6'1) so I could care less about the 4 door as much haha.

Waiting on a response on my offer for it.
Gonna test drive another white 2013 civic si sedan this time instead of a coupe. I hope my head fits in it. I figure I can slap on some rpf1s, wider tires, bolt ons and a tune and maybe a supercharger/small turbo later on and it will be a perfect car for me.
 
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