Acura RSX, ILX and Honda EP3 Forum banner

41 - 60 of 132 Posts

·
Expert Troll
Joined
·
25,774 Posts
^
This.
I drove a FR-S for fun, handles very nice but not much power.
They have a much better torque curve than the s2k. Better mpg if you are gonna dd it. More space, emergency back seats, better steering. Just an easier thing to live with. S2000s aren't really fast either. You can make a brzfrs just as fast with bolt ones and a tune..not so easy to make the s2k faster. I drove both cars pretty close together. Both are great but the brz is just more a bit more fun and less serious feeling. S2k gearbox is amazing though. Both feel slow compared to my wrx but they are both better cars..lol

Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk 2
 
Joined
·
9,696 Posts
They have a much better torque curve than the s2k. Better mpg if you are gonna dd it. More space, emergency back seats, better steering. Just an easier thing to live with. S2000s aren't really fast either. You can make a brzfrs just as fast with bolt ones and a tune..not so easy to make the s2k faster. I drove both cars pretty close together. Both are great but the brz is just more a bit more fun and less serious feeling. S2k gearbox is amazing though. Both feel slow compared to my wrx but they are both better cars..lol

Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk 2
wat
 

·
Expert Troll
Joined
·
25,774 Posts
its a more lighthearted amusing car, the s2k feels more serious. When you are driving a BRZ you feel like you could just start getting sideways and it would be pretty easy to control, the S2000 feels a lot more angry and high strung..it was an AP1 though, I would imagine the AP2 is bit less nutty feeling...and the steering is better...everyone knows s2000 steering is a bit numb
 

·
Car thieves shot on site.
Joined
·
164 Posts
Just test drove an FR-S today as I've been debating selling my Type-S now that almost the entire body has oxidized paint and little dings here and there. Amazing difference in the feel off the line from the FR-S is the most noticeable difference, and I like the throatier sound in the engine. It was actually a pleasure to accelerate from a stop, which I can't say about the Type-S. I would love to see the FR-S take off from the line with a super-charger.

Next biggest difference is the notchy shifter and clutch, though it may be something you just get used to after a while. I was glad to see that the clutch wasn't much longer than the RSX's...I didn't have to take my heel off the floor to clutch-out, which was a big concern of mine, as I fucking hate clutches that require you to take your whole foot off the floor and perform some sort of leg exercise to drive.

I was worried I wouldn't like the seats compared to the all-leather seats in my RSX, but the FR-S's seats are actually great and hug your body like a glove. It actually feels very comforting while sitting in them.

There was slightly less road visibility in the FR-S than the RSX. The front end just seems a little more bulky when you're trying to look forward and steer.

I like the dual-climate control convenience in the FR-S, but I know the original poster didn't seem to be a fan. It seemed to get cold right away though during the test drive, so not sure what their issue was...maybe just the ergonomics of the buttons?

Here were the three main deal breakers for me (as a daily driver car):

1) The FR-S's back seats are near useless. It's not even a question of which one is more cramped...there is just literally no room to even fit legs in the back of the FR-S. It's almost as if adding back seats to the FR-S is some prank. I'm 5'9" and with my seat comfortably adjusted (and I even like to be a little more forward and closer to the pedals than most) there was literally only like 1-2 inches between my seat and the edge of the back seat. Toddlers' legs MIGHT fit in between. So unless you are only 5' 2" and have similar sized friends, the back seats are nothing more than a scheme for Scion to put this car into a 4 seater class to attract customers.

2) FR-S had super small trunk space...like maybe half of the RSX's space, and I'm talking about both cars with their seats up. I can fit small desks and other medium sized furniture and chairs into my RSX with the seats folded down. You might be able to cram a small golf bag into the FR-S with it's seats down. If you ever drive to the airport, you better only be dropping off one person who packs conservatively.

3) Suspension...I actually liked the FR-S's suspension, but it would only be ideal for tracks, or if you only drive in nice communities with well-maintained, smooth roads. I live in LA, and the FR-S's suspension felt a lot like my RSX when I had coilovers, so I could tell it was going to be a real bitch to drive on the shitty roads and highways of LA.

Bottom line...if you are going to track this car, live in a community with super-smooth roads, and/or will never need to transport a 3rd or 4th passenger other than a toddler or a baby in a car seat, then the FR-S is your jam (or maybe a Honda 2000...haven't driven one, but seems comparable to the FR-S, considering both cars can only fit 2 adults). Otherwise, if you need your car to be practical as a daily driver, keep or get an RSX.
 

·
AWD Insanity.
Joined
·
2,392 Posts
I would love to own an Fr-S/BRZ. But I have trouble justifying paying the price they want for what little power they have. Beautiful machines I can give them that.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
124 Posts
I like how the FR-S has a padded arm rest on the door. Other than that these cars are pretty darn close besides on the obvious difference of RWD vs FWD.
 

·
typespilot
Joined
·
449 Posts
I have been toying with the idea of selling my 06 RSX Type-S this summer. The cars I would consider all have been RWD. Mustang GT, BRZ, and S2K. I have test driven a S2K, and now a BRZ. I will say the winner between the two is a S2K. Last night I was able to test drive a new 2014 Subaru BRZ from the subie dealership in Columbus, Ohio.

First of all, the salesman was a nice guy, and was honest. He flat out told me he does not know much about the car because he sells way more suv's and family wagons each month.
He apologized to me, but I told him it was alright, I did my own research. He was nice enough to let me drive the car with my wife unsupervised, plus he could not fit in the back seat with my wife riding shotgun.

The model I drove was the premium model with cloth seats. The cloth seats were supportive, the bolsters grabbed my sides well. The seats were designed for a smaller framed person, so I felt more support from these than my 06 type s seats. The cloth material felt cheap, I like my RSX's leather better. The back seat was a joke, but I do not care about back seats.

The telescoping and adjustable steering wheel is nice in the BRZ. The instrument gauges are cheap and not as refined as the RSX. I thought the tachometer/speedometer seemed very low grade. If you ever sit in one, you will see what I mean when coming from the RSX. I did not play with the radio that much, but the sound was a little below average compared to the audio systems new cars have. (Yes easily fixed)

The clutch pedal feel was good, buttery, and smooth. Reminded me of my wife's 05 RSX-S OEM clutch. The shifting action was smooth, with short precise throws. Very nice. My 06 has an Exedy stage 1 clutch kit with the lightweight flywheel, so pedal feel was a little too soft for my liking in the BRZ. (personal preference). The clutch lever is forward with the cup holders positioned by my right elbow. It did not feel awkward, it was very neutral to drive and shift gears.

The cabin is smaller, but duh, smaller car. I looked up at the roof liner twice. I noticed less head room, and no sunroof. I think I would miss a powered sunroof for sure. The visibility is good out of the windows and windshield. Better visibility than the newer Camaros if you ever sat in one. Road noise on the highway was bad. The michelin hp tires could be partly to blame, but I didn't mind. I have been driving my RSX with the rear body panels out for a couple months and that gets loud. I did not expect to be driving in a luxury car with excellent sound deadening materials. Trunk space is limited and coming from the RSX it seemed laughable. But again, smaller car.

Steering response was excellent. I can see why people love the car for its steering. No problems directing the car, and it handled highway speeds well. The car was very low and flickable. The 50/50 weight distribution made the car feel more confident with hard turns into a corner. I have the Mugen SS on my RSX, so road feel with bumps/uneven pavement felt the same. Someone coming from a standard vehicle might find it to be too stiff.

The biggest letdown for me was the engine! It does have a smooth linear powerband. Granted it makes about 200hp at the crank, I just felt underwhelmed by the engine. I can see why many people gripe about it. I have to say that the K20z engine in my RSX delivers a better surge of power and felt stronger even with 99k miles on it. I do have vibratechnics motor mounts which also changed the overall feel of the RSX for the better. The BRZ with boost is probably amazing. Factory installed superchargers should be an option with a warranty.

Overall the car is a good entry level sports car. I am in love with the way it looks from the outside. I am not in love with the interior or motor. I went to look at the 2015 blue series with the underbody spoiler and black painted STI wheels. IT LOOKS AMAZING. With a 30k sticker on it, I say not so fast.

I test drove a s2K last fall, and I have to say that car was better than the BRZ in a few ways (subjective). I just don't want to pay $$$ for an additional removable hardtop. But after leaving the dealership last night, I just might do that now.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
259 Posts
I have been toying with the idea of selling my 06 RSX Type-S this summer. The cars I would consider all have been RWD. Mustang GT, BRZ, and S2K. I have test driven a S2K, and now a BRZ. I will say the winner between the two is a S2K. Last night I was able to test drive a new 2014 Subaru BRZ from the subie dealership in Columbus, Ohio.

First of all, the salesman was a nice guy, and was honest. He flat out told me he does not know much about the car because he sells way more suv's and family wagons each month.
He apologized to me, but I told him it was alright, I did my own research. He was nice enough to let me drive the car with my wife unsupervised, plus he could not fit in the back seat with my wife riding shotgun.

The model I drove was the premium model with cloth seats. The cloth seats were supportive, the bolsters grabbed my sides well. The seats were designed for a smaller framed person, so I felt more support from these than my 06 type s seats. The cloth material felt cheap, I like my RSX's leather better. The back seat was a joke, but I do not care about back seats.

The telescoping and adjustable steering wheel is nice in the BRZ. The instrument gauges are cheap and not as refined as the RSX. I thought the tachometer/speedometer seemed very low grade. If you ever sit in one, you will see what I mean when coming from the RSX. I did not play with the radio that much, but the sound was a little below average compared to the audio systems new cars have. (Yes easily fixed)

The clutch pedal feel was good, buttery, and smooth. Reminded me of my wife's 05 RSX-S OEM clutch. The shifting action was smooth, with short precise throws. Very nice. My 06 has an Exedy stage 1 clutch kit with the lightweight flywheel, so pedal feel was a little too soft for my liking in the BRZ. (personal preference). The clutch lever is forward with the cup holders positioned by my right elbow. It did not feel awkward, it was very neutral to drive and shift gears.

The cabin is smaller, but duh, smaller car. I looked up at the roof liner twice. I noticed less head room, and no sunroof. I think I would miss a powered sunroof for sure. The visibility is good out of the windows and windshield. Better visibility than the newer Camaros if you ever sat in one. Road noise on the highway was bad. The michelin hp tires could be partly to blame, but I didn't mind. I have been driving my RSX with the rear body panels out for a couple months and that gets loud. I did not expect to be driving in a luxury car with excellent sound deadening materials. Trunk space is limited and coming from the RSX it seemed laughable. But again, smaller car.

Steering response was excellent. I can see why people love the car for its steering. No problems directing the car, and it handled highway speeds well. The car was very low and flickable. The 50/50 weight distribution made the car feel more confident with hard turns into a corner. I have the Mugen SS on my RSX, so road feel with bumps/uneven pavement felt the same. Someone coming from a standard vehicle might find it to be too stiff.

The biggest letdown for me was the engine! It does have a smooth linear powerband. Granted it makes about 200hp at the crank, I just felt underwhelmed by the engine. I can see why many people gripe about it. I have to say that the K20z engine in my RSX delivers a better surge of power and felt stronger even with 99k miles on it. I do have vibratechnics motor mounts which also changed the overall feel of the RSX for the better. The BRZ with boost is probably amazing. Factory installed superchargers should be an option with a warranty.

Overall the car is a good entry level sports car. I am in love with the way it looks from the outside. I am not in love with the interior or motor. I went to look at the 2015 blue series with the underbody spoiler and black painted STI wheels. IT LOOKS AMAZING. With a 30k sticker on it, I say not so fast.

I test drove a s2K last fall, and I have to say that car was better than the BRZ in a few ways (subjective). I just don't want to pay $$$ for an additional removable hardtop. But after leaving the dealership last night, I just might do that now.
I'm closing in on 1 year of BRZ ownership, so let me add my 2 cents. I have to disagree with a couple of your observations.

The interior to me is a mixed bag. To me the alcantara seats in the BRZ limited are way more comfortable than the RSX seats. Granted, I had an '03 Type S so it's not an exact comparison if you're coming from an 05-06 with the better seats. The center console on the limited is also a little nicer than on the premium, but I still liked the layout better in my RSX. The audio isn't great, but improves a lot with 5 minutes adjusting the EQ settings. The added technology in the BRZ, Bluetooth, Nav, etc.. kind of balance things out though IMO.

I preferred the transmission in the RSX. The gearbox in the BRZ is a little notchier, even with a weighted knob. The clutch pedal engages at a very high point, which I prefer to the RSX now...just took some adjusting.

I agree on the engine being a letdown. There's a little more low end torque than with the K20, but the FA20 has an infamous "torque dip" between 3-4k RPM's that's very noticeable. So to me, the RSX was a little more fun to wring out.

Overall I love the BRZ a little more than my RSX. Obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me, with a few simple mods the BRZ is the best looking new car you can buy for under 30k.
 

·
Expert Troll
Joined
·
25,774 Posts
I'm closing in on 1 year of BRZ ownership, so let me add my 2 cents. I have to disagree with a couple of your observations.

The interior to me is a mixed bag. To me the alcantara seats in the BRZ limited are way more comfortable than the RSX seats. Granted, I had an '03 Type S so it's not an exact comparison if you're coming from an 05-06 with the better seats. The center console on the limited is also a little nicer than on the premium, but I still liked the layout better in my RSX. The audio isn't great, but improves a lot with 5 minutes adjusting the EQ settings. The added technology in the BRZ, Bluetooth, Nav, etc.. kind of balance things out though IMO.

I preferred the transmission in the RSX. The gearbox in the BRZ is a little notchier, even with a weighted knob. The clutch pedal engages at a very high point, which I prefer to the RSX now...just took some adjusting.

I agree on the engine being a letdown. There's a little more low end torque than with the K20, but the FA20 has an infamous "torque dip" between 3-4k RPM's that's very noticeable. So to me, the RSX was a little more fun to wring out.

Overall I love the BRZ a little more than my RSX. Obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me, with a few simple mods the BRZ is the best looking new car you can buy for under 30k.
That's pretty much how I felt after a couple hours in a brz. The 05-06 seats weren't all that comfortable either.
 

·
Long Live RSX
Joined
·
473 Posts
I'm closing in on 1 year of BRZ ownership, so let me add my 2 cents. I have to disagree with a couple of your observations.

The interior to me is a mixed bag. To me the alcantara seats in the BRZ limited are way more comfortable than the RSX seats. Granted, I had an '03 Type S so it's not an exact comparison if you're coming from an 05-06 with the better seats. The center console on the limited is also a little nicer than on the premium, but I still liked the layout better in my RSX. The audio isn't great, but improves a lot with 5 minutes adjusting the EQ settings. The added technology in the BRZ, Bluetooth, Nav, etc.. kind of balance things out though IMO.

I preferred the transmission in the RSX. The gearbox in the BRZ is a little notchier, even with a weighted knob. The clutch pedal engages at a very high point, which I prefer to the RSX now...just took some adjusting.

I agree on the engine being a letdown. There's a little more low end torque than with the K20, but the FA20 has an infamous "torque dip" between 3-4k RPM's that's very noticeable. So to me, the RSX was a little more fun to wring out.

Overall I love the BRZ a little more than my RSX. Obviously, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me, with a few simple mods the BRZ is the best looking new car you can buy for under 30k.
I really thought the new BRZ/FRS would clearly surpass the older RSX in all areas but based on posts the RSX can compete. It would have been nice if Acura made a new RSX to further challenge the current segment.
 

·
.♥
Joined
·
10,293 Posts
Are you sure the FRS/BRZ/86 trans is worse?

In terms of feeling, it might feel more notchy and the RSX has been out for longer,

BUT

there is a reason why RSX transmissions are nicknamed "glass transmissions." The 6speed is infamous for bad synchros and seems to tank for no reason even under moderate use.
 

·
K24 revhard
Joined
·
2,571 Posts
Says who? People think the trans is trash caus all u hear about our stories of the broken ones. I'm hitting the 140k on my 2002. My glass trans shifts butter smooth and is still on stock clutch. Is there a recall on the type s trans ? Frs/ brz are garbo. A type s will pull on those turds all day
 
41 - 60 of 132 Posts
Top