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some guys on honda-tech say u can make the same power with stock type-s cams and that the only difference between ITR cams and the type-s is more duration, so the hp gain is not worth it maybe (1-4whp). could someone clarify this i plan on doing itr cams when i get some cash saved....

They are correct in that the difference between the Type S cams and the Type R cams is the duration, they are incorrect in stating that the Type S cams give the same power as the Type R cams. We have dyno graphs that prove otherwise.

 

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That's the same thing I have ran on stock cams, stock tires.

Notice the guys avatar on honda-tech?

Drop in the ITR cams + reflash and see how your times improve. It's hard to compare between cars on the track or the dyno. You need to compare between mods on a single car.

 

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This is what everybody says. No one really compares a hondata4 setup to an itr cam/reflash setup. Everyone just keeps looking at the numbers from the stock ecu to the itr reflash/itr cams.

We can go back and forth on this forever, but it all boils down to "do you want to spend $400-$500 and a solid afternoon installing them just for a minor gain?"

I'll be glad to race anyone near me(is there anyone near south ga :dontknow: ) that has an itr cam setup, just to prove my point

Then compare it against hondata #4.

But it's not as simple as two cars racing each other, you know that. There are many other factors at play.

 

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But wouldn't you expect for someone with say toda c's or crower's big cams to pull on you if you raced? I mean what's the point if it's not noticeable.

Bottom line, I would be pissed if my cammed car couldn't or could barely pull on a stock cammed car.

Naturally, big cams will pull on a ITR setup. But how many people are going to sacrifice VTC for Spec C's, or have that kind of money in the first place? Power is an expensive thing.

Saying it is not worth it though is a mistake IMO. The ITR setup does great compared to stock or even Hondata #4. It is simply a matter of bang for the buck, what you're willing to pay, and what you're trying to get.

 

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hmm, maybe someone could help me out even though its kinda a noob question...
What would be the best N/A route to take if you wanted to keep he stock cat or at most get the JRRH and Hi-flow cat? N2? ITR? Stock!?!? lol...
What I would really like is to get a bit over 200 hp to the wheels with retaining the cat. Thanks...

The Jackson Race Header with a high flow cat is your best option to stay smoggable. It will rob you of some power, but not nearly as much as the stock downpipe and cat.

Using this setup with ITR or N2 cams should net well over 200whp, provided the usual complimentary mods are also included.