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The ITR route is also pretty much plug and play... but for cheaper than TODA. TODA is so sweet but like WHIZ said... $$$ I haven't seen any 1320 times for the TODA kit though... Maybe grip is an issue and the times don't reflect how much more power TODA makes over the ITR setup.

 

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I think TODA makes slightly more power then the ITR setup but is it worth the extra $$$ for TODA when you can get about the same (slightly less) by going the ITR route for cheaper. But you got to love the 9k redline of TODA.

 

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some guys on honda-tech say u can make the same power with stock type-s cams and that the only difference between ITR cams and the type-s is more duration, so the hp gain is not worth it maybe (1-4whp). could someone clarify this i plan on doing itr cams when i get some cash saved....

I don't think that very accurate. One of the main reason why the ITR is so much faster than the Type S is the difference in the cams. Though there are a few other differences, the cams are key in separating the ITR from the Type S.

 

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Actually the cams are pretty ineffective by them selves. It really is a combination of the cams longer duration, .5 higher compression ratio, intake and exhaust manifold and the reprogramed ECU to control it all that separates the ITR from the RTS. People who were just using the cams by themselves with nothing else were no seeing the gains they expected.

Like I said, there ARE other differences between the ITR and Type S but the cams are key. IF the ITR had the same cams as the Type S with just a .5 higher compression ratio, intake and exhaust manifold being the only difference between the two, you will still be no where near the number that the ITR has now. The cams and ECU to utilize the more aggressive cams are an imperative part of the whole set up.

 

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Its all cool. :driving:

 

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Drop in the ITR cams + reflash and see how your times improve. It's hard to compare between cars on the track or the dyno. You need to compare between mods on a single car.

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And even then there's still many variables that will effect your dyno/track time such as ambient air temp, track conditions etc... But for the most part, its best to compare parts using the same car.

 

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:iamwiths:

 

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My small wallet dictates that I must go the ITR route

My bank account says the same thing...

 

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Or instead of waiting for someone else to get it and install it. You get it first and tell everyone that they suck so that no one else would have them. But you know that they're better than Toda's cams.

 

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Or instead of waiting for someone else to get it and install it. You get it first and tell everyone that they suck so that no one else would have them. But you know that they're better than Toda's cams.

Like I said, don't wait for someone else to install the Crowers. You install it yourself and tell everyone else it sucks so no one else gets them. But you know you your mind that that after the install and the dyno that they're better than TODA. :laughing: