[RoadRunner Type S]

I would love to see a side by side dyno between an ITR setup and Toda setup. (cams, VS, flash) ITR setup having S2000 springs maybe...

It's been done, EDO/Ron did it. However it was done with the Spec A's not the new N2 cams, and he did it with I, IM, IMG, H, E. I believe the numbers were something along the lines of:250.2whp/162.2tq for TODA and 235.5whp/160.9tq for the ITR cams, but you'll have to search for actual dyno graphs so you can see what the powerband looked like for each. :thumbsup:

 

[RoadRunner Type S]

They are correct in that the difference between the Type S cams and the Type R cams is the duration, they are incorrect in stating that the Type S cams give the same power as the Type R cams. We have dyno graphs that prove otherwise.

:iamwiths:

I don't think that very accurate. One of the main reason why the ITR is so much faster than the Type S is the difference in the cams. Though there are a few other differences, the cams are key in separating the ITR from the Type S.

Actually the cams are pretty ineffective by them selves. It really is a combination of the cams longer duration, .5 higher compression ratio, intake and exhaust manifold and the reprogramed ECU to control it all that separates the ITR from the RTS. People who were just using the cams by themselves with nothing else were no seeing the gains they expected. :driving:

 

[RoadRunner Type S]

Like I said, there ARE other differences between the ITR and Type S but the cams are key. IF the ITR had the same cams as the Type S with just a .5 higher compression ratio, intake and exhaust manifold being the only difference between the two, you will still be no where near the number that the ITR has now. The cams and ECU to utilize the more aggressive cams are an imperative part of the whole set up.

Right, sorry I misunderstood you. :thumbsup:

 

[RoadRunner Type S]

Why is Toda still even being compared to ITR cams.... TODA is so outdated. For the same or better price you can get some IPS K2 cams or Skunk2 STG 1 or 2 cams that will out perform ITR cams by a long shot.

 

[RoadRunner Type S]

The '05-'06 already has stock cams that are almost identical to ITR. There is only 1 reflash available for the '05-'06 and it is designed to work with the stock cams. All this talk about swapping out cams for ITR is strictly for older model RSX's. Your only other choice from Hondata is Kpro.

:iamwiths:

 

[RoadRunner Type S]

Personally I would just skip the reflash and get K-Pro... I started with a reflash and ended up going to k-pro a few years back and remember wishing I had just gotten k-pro.


But to answer you question... yes it's worth it. People spend the same amount if not more money on an exhaust that does jack shit other then make there car sound like something it's not.