maybe you shud look in the correct section and stop posting

 

how is the general section wrong for a question like that:dontknow:

 

holy lurk batman.

nov 2007 with 1 post?

 

stock pedals work (i have no problem wit heel-toe wit my stock pedals), good shoes, n practice, practice n did i mention PRACTICE?

 

We talkin' bout practice mayne.

 

and yet...MORE PRACTICE!

 

Are you wearing boots or just tennis/running shoes? Driving shoes don't make a difference IMO. My mom got me a really nice pair of Piloti driving shoes and I love them, but for heel toe they don't make much difference for me. Try using less brake so you can get the throttle easier. Do it when parked and in neutral just to get the feeling of using the brake pedal and hitting the throttle. It's really easy. Just like Cali Ghost said, practice practice practice practice.

 

thank you :bow: n i love ur sig, "i wish my lawn was emo so it would cut itself."
i lol'd :rotfl:

 

I heel-toe with the ball of my foot on the brake pedal, and then just roll with toes over to blip the gas. This works far better for me than actually using my heel.

My racing shoes actually make it more difficult to rev match as they are narrower than my worn-out, comfortable running shoes. So, sometimes I actually have to roll on the throttle with the side of my foot, just like you are describing.

When I am approaching a corner on the track that requires really heavy braking, it is more difficult to rev match because of the offset between the brake and gas pedals. I really just end up twisting my foot in a weird fashion where I am on the brake with the ball of the foot, and keep the toes pointed up and back towards me, so I don't come down on the gas too.... my toes will damn near be touching the gas pedal (and sometimes when I botch the downshift, they are), so the throttle blip is almost instantaneous.

What I have found to help is more aggressive brake pads.... ie: track pads. They bite so hard compared to street pads, that I find Im not as heavy on the brakes through some corners... thus it is easier to heel-toe. But you always have some corners that will be harder than others.

Are you heel-toe-ing with your actual heel? Or just rolling your toes over onto the gas?

 

This is a really good question. There are few techniques that work, but they all require a lot of practice... don't expect to get it right off the bat.

For me, I use more the side of my foot, rather than the heel and toe. The ball of my toe is firmly on brake, and the right side of my foot feathers the throttle. It's not how you're supposed to do it, but it works for me.

I try to do it every time I drive, to get myself used to it... but when I'm racing it's a whole different story. I simply cannot coordinate moving my feet and thinking so quickly. When I try it during a race, I screw it up almost every time. Driving on the street is nothing like during a race.

 

This is a really good question. There are few techniques that work, but they all require a lot of practice... don't expect to get it right off the bat.

For me, I use more the side of my foot, rather than the heel and toe. The ball of my toe is firmly on brake, and the right side of my foot feathers the throttle. It's not how you're supposed to do it, but it works for me.

I try to do it every time I drive, to get myself used to it... but when I'm racing it's a whole different story. I simply cannot coordinate moving my feet and thinking so quickly. When I try it during a race, I screw it up almost every time. Driving on the street is nothing like during a race.

That's not how you are supposed to do it? I think it is actually. Look at real driving shoes. They have extra sole on the outside of the right foot to give more grip over the gas pedal while using heel toe. I'll take some pics of mine and post them up.

 

Notice the little extra sole on the side... That's where I use my foot for heel toe. It's the side just below the pinky toe.

 

Honestly, heel-and-toe is hardly necessary for street use
I'm sure if you YouTube it, you can find a bunch of hits about it

 

Honestly, heel-and-toe is hardly necessary for street use

True, but you need to learn it somewhere if you ever plan to do a track event.

Not to mention it makes downshifts much easier on the tranny.

 

Good info--thanks.

I'm using tennis shoes--and rolling the right foot straight over to the gas. I'll try rolling over more with the toes instead of the side of the foot.

 

I thought u were making the Iverson reference lol my bad.

 

maybe i was :shady: lol

 

try doing it barefoot. just at first. it doesn't help me any but some people say it gives them a better feel for the pedals. or just shoes with really thin soles. my shoes are like that and it helps a lot. instead of big soles getting in the way the thin ones like bend so it's easier to move your foot.

EDIT: as for stock pedals... i have strut king pedals and i can't really tell a difference except when my shoes are wet.

 

History lesson time. My dad told me this when I was asking him about heel toe...

The old car used to have the clutch and brake next to eachother and the gas separated, therefore you really had to use true heel toe movement to hit the gas. But on modern cars with the pedals all closer together it's more side foot/side foot. But it's still refered to as heel toe.


Just do what feels best for you in your car.

 

History lesson time. My dad told me this when I was asking him about heel toe...

The old car used to have the clutch and brake next to eachother and the gas separated, therefore you really had to use true heel toe movement to hit the gas. But on modern cars with the pedals all closer together it's more side foot/side foot. But it's still refered to as heel toe.


Just do what feels best for you in your car.

:iamwiths: but then again jus cause it feels right to u doesnt mean ur doin it right

 

practice

 

when you heel/toe you should use your heel to pivot your foot. brake by using the ball of your foot. when you brake your foot will be tilted to the left, the right part of your foot overlapping the throttle, but not touching. If you cannot control whether or not your foot is touching the throttle, you are practicing heel/toe in an unsafe manner, risking braking and adding throttle at the same time. Another problem is braking without overlapping the throttle. This is what you are doing and the only solution when you do this is by using the ball of your foot as a pivot point and rotating your heel out, trying to stab the throttle with the right part of your foot, but not the heel, which is impossible to do anyway. This is less safe and should only be done if you are already braking with your foot too far from the throttle and need to blip in emergency so the wheels wont lock. However you still don't need to blip in this situation, just hold in the clutch and let off slowly until the synchros compensate. I hope this helps, just practice until you get the feel down. It takes a good couple months until you get a good feel for it, at least for me it did. Good luck and enjoy learning to heel/toe.

 

Member since 2006, and that was your first post? Wow.

 

practice!

 

yeah, i usually just come here for the lulz. but i saw an opportunity to help someone out, so i decided to finally post.

 

I have big feet so I just move my foot over so only a small part of it is on the brake and then i can hit the gas without pivoting my foot at all. See everyone has their own method so just see what works best for you and practice it a lot.

 

noob at this too, so sorry for reviving this question but i'm practicing on straights, can rev match fine, just not quite getting the heel toe just yet. am following every tip in this all related threads and it's starting to pay off. almost there for straights, not ready to try turns just yet until I master it on a straight line.

practicing at complete standstill I can see my foot can handle the movement, but then it has to slide over after rolling from brake to gas, and that part is a bit tricky as I am still doing this more abruptly than I want to and something about my leg coordination isn't right. I also can't do the counterclockwise true heel toe - my leg just doesn't want to pivot that direction. well, anyway, practicing is working. I don't plan to auto-x or anything just want to do this for 1) the fun 2) the tranny 3) heck, just feel good about having the skill

 

yeah i can't do it either..well not very well anyway...do some stretching..lol

 

Just keep practicing until it becomes second nature. Trust me it will. When I first started I decided that I couldn't do it so I stopped trying. Then a couple months later I started trying again and now I'm pretty good. I still can't brake as hard as I can without heel-toeing. This car's pedals aren't set up for it well.

 

I think a lighter flywheel would make heel-toeing faster because the revs would rise easier with a smaller blip of the throttle but I don't think it will help with consistency. That is all about you